Re: {Collins} Value of Collins



Try to find discrete parts for a 1980's Tektronix scope or SA that sold for 50+k originally.
 
john
 
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:47:02 -0700
> From: gblock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: collins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: {Collins} Value of Collins
> 
> Group,
> 
> For me the joy and appreciation is the good work of the designers - how hard it 
> was to break new ground, and the physical beauty of the designs - this kind of 
> does it.  A 75A4/KWS-1, next to looking at the face of your own mother, is a 
> thing of beauty.  It is not likely to be a good financial investment, although 
> don't tell your wife.  The other timeless value is the fact that the stuff is is 
> repairable.  It thus outlasts the factories that built it.  In the long term 
> this will not be true of the software driven designs.   The memory retention of 
> flash memories is not forever. The embedded programs which run modern radios 
> will fail eventually, and in some cases it may not be repairable reloadable.   
> Even repairing discrete components is very hard at the 0402 (.04" x .02") size, 
> or with BGA's which require specialized equipment to remove or replace.
> 
> Best to all
> Gerry
> AD6MC
> 
> 
>  
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jerry Stern <jsternmd@xxxxxxx>
> To: collins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ralph Quallich <kf4hrkf4hr@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 9:58:39 AM
> Subject: Re: {Collins} Value of Collins
> 
> Going off-topic so this will be it for me BUT you still need to pay about $1000 
> for an original mint Atwater Kent 1920 radio. 
>  
> 73 Jerry
> K1JOS 
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Ralph Quallich <kf4hrkf4hr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Ralph Quallich <kf4hrkf4hr@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: {Collins} Value of Collins
> To: collins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 12:01 PM
> 
> 
> I've pondered the same question. If or when will the value of Collins equipment 
> begin to depreciate in value?  I figure there are two main issues to contend 
> with.  First, the aging ham population that even knows what a tube is, and 
> second, the waves of new technology that constantly improve upon current 
> technology making Collins equipment seem like older and older technology.
> 
> At 58, when new Collins equipment was available I was too young to be able to 
> afford it.  Then later in life as my resources grew I'd always opt for the 
> newest technology (Kenwood, ICOM, etc).  But in my early 50's I ran across a 
> friend that collected Collins gear and the Collins bug bit.  Now I find I enjoy 
> both the newer and older equipment equally.  Perhaps that's the key to keeping 
> our younger ham generation interested in older equipment, us older hams 
> introducing the younger hams to the fun of operating equipment of years gone by.
> 
> As for valuing Collins equipment in the future, perhaps we can step a bit 
> further back and ask ourselves what is the current value and market trend of 
> Spark-Gap equipment?  I think it's safe to say that although most of us (not 
> all) never used Spark Gap equipment, it would be interesting to own a piece of 
> it.    
> 
> 
> KF4HR    
> 
> --- On Sat, 3/19/11, kc9cdt@xxxxxxx <kc9cdt@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> From: kc9cdt@xxxxxxx <kc9cdt@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: {Collins} Value of Collins
> To: WA1KBQ@xxxxxxx, dukeshifi@xxxxxxxxxxx, collins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 10:01 AM
> 
> Greg,
> While in geneal I kind of agree  with you for most people...some additional 
> comments.
> 
> On MANY occations, I use the vintage equipment for normal use and even for DX 
> chasing AND contests.
> 
> In particular the Drake Sherwood fully modifed C line I have will perform almost 
> as well as my Ten-Tec Orion II in a contest environment.
> 
> As an example...the last SSB contest I decided to use ONLY vintage equipment.
> About 1/2 the time I used the Drake and the other half the Collins.
> 
> WOW, I just walked right up the bands and worked almost everything I heard!
> On a few occations I had some problem with close loud signals on the Collins, so 
> I switched to th Drake...Nailed them!
> I am taliking abou VERY few times here.
> 
> I got excellant unsolicited comments (you don't normally get on cotest week end) 
> on audio quality and signal strength.
> 
> On a couple occationswhen the DX was very weak...both on the Collins and 
> Drake...I swiched to the Orion II STILL could not copy them.
> 
> IMHO the older vintage equipment when in top opeating condition is just as good 
> as any modern stuff...with one exception, the speed at which you can do 
> things....no tuning, digital stuff ect.
> 
> While I love the Orion II in my experiene here...the vintage equipment is very 
> under rated today.
> 
> One other thing as far as investment/logevity...I bet you 50 years from now, 
> unless I would be very lucky the TT Orion II will not be on the air! and it will 
> be worth...well not much.
> 
> I find most of the tme...in DX chasing or even contests....good old fashioned 
> top notch station operations is what counts.
> 
> Good antennas are still the most important part
> 
> 
> Keep em' glowing ...........
> 
> 73,
> Lee
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WA1KBQ <WA1KBQ@xxxxxxx>
> To: dukeshifi <dukeshifi@xxxxxxxxxxx>; collins <collins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sat, Mar 19, 2011 9:41 am
> Subject: Re: {Collins} Value of Collins
> 
> 
> Most enthusiasts eventually come to realize they don't  own various makes
> of vintage Hallicrafters, Hammarlund, National or even  Collins equipment
> because they were state-of-the-art when new or still able to  hold their own
> today in a pile-up. You own them because they are  interesting or historically
> significant and fun to test drive occasionally when  band conditions
> permit. Someone who has an original 1936 Ford Cabriolet  Convertible does not
> get
> out and throw rocks at it just because he cannot keep  up with a fast three
> car draft of imports swapping lanes at 85mph on I-95. If  superior
> performance was your primary goal you would get the best import  currently
> available
> and use vintage equipment to decorate your shack. Actually  this makes the
> most sense... you don't corrupt historic artifacts with miniature  yellow
> plastic Chinese capacitors and you save the time that would be otherwise  spent
> installing them doing something else that yields a greater benefit. Case
> in point... The transistor radio collectors are now faced with having to
> recap  so it appears that no capacitor technology is reliable long term.
> 
> Regards, Greg
> 
> 
> In a message dated 3/19/2011 1:40:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> dukeshifi@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> 
> There  are many Hams in the 45 to 60 age bracket who still recognize that
> Collins  was, and remains, a landmark in radio design, and are willing to pay
> to  preserve that landmark.
> 
> Collins was the first to offer  military/commercial level performance to
> Hams.
> 
> Prior to that time we  had the Hammarlund, National and Hallicrafters
> boatanchors for receivers. Not  one of them was up to the performance level of
> even the relatively crude  KWM-1, let alone the R-390 or 75A-4.
> 
> No matter how much you might love  your HRO-60, it is a toy next to a 75A-4
> or an R-390.
> 
> Even the  overpriced SX-115 was never up to the  performance level of the
> 75A-4. It  had lots of tubes and was very pretty but Collins consistently
> outperformed  everyone else...
> 
> Until the KWM-380, of course...
> 
> The only really  viable competition Collins had (until Kensucom) was Drake,
> which took Collins'  level of performance (or close to it) and put it into
> an affordable box,  albeit a lot less attractive and nowhere nearly as well
> built.
> 
> Old  Mercedes Benz SL cars will always have value.
> 
> So will old Collins  radios. They are in the same  league.
> 
> 
> 
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