Re: {Collins} Difference between 75S-1 and 75S-3



I put the "smiley" :>) to indicate that my comments about the 75S-3A were not a real criticism of your rankings.  The minor fact that the 75S-3A has the additional crystal board has resulted in as much as 3-times the price for a 75S-3A as for the, basically, identical 75S-3.  Although, as far as I know, there is not a definite count as to how many 75S-3A receivers were made, the general consensus is about 500.  As such, the number made is pretty close to the number of 75S-2 receivers produced.


I acquired my 75S-3A in the mid 1970s when the prices of tube-type equipment was falling.  I know of one 75S-3A that went for $1400.00 very recently.

 Glen, K9STH 
Website: http://k9sth.net

      From: Bill Carns <wcarns@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:30 AM
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Subject: Re: {Collins} Difference between 75S-1 and 75S-3  I slightly disagree!  The 75S-3 is the 2nd best of the 75S- receivers.  The 75S-3A is the best! :>)  Of course, the only difference between the 75S-3 and 75S-3A is the additional crystal deck but having those additional crystals does add to the functionality of the receiver.  The performance of the 75S-3 and 75S-3A is identical.    Every 75S-3 and 75S-3A  came from the factory with a 200 Hz CW filter installed whereas the 75S-1 / 75S-2 had an optional 500 Hz filter that had to be installed after the receiver was purchased (this by decree of Art Collins) by returning the receiver to the factory, having the filter installed at an authorized service center, or the filter, and optional BFO crystal, were available to the end user so that anyone could do the installation.  In the 75S-3B / 75S-3C all CW filters were available at an additional charge.    By the way, the 200 Hz filter is a crystal filter, not a mechanical filter.  Also, there are a very few amateur radio operators who remove the 200 Hz filter from the 75S-3 / 75S-3A when selling one of those receivers.  The filter is then offered individually with the seller "claiming" that the filter was an optional accessory.  This is absolutely false!  Every 75S-3 and 75S-3A receivers came from the factory with the CW filter installed.    I have owned a 75S-3, do own 2-each 75S-1 receivers, and my primary receiver is a 75S-3A.  Also, I work on Collins equipment for others and have seen a fair number of 75S-3B and 75S-3C receivers.  I definitely agree with Bill that the 75S-3 / 75S-3A receivers are better than the 75S-3B / 75S-3C and considerably better than the 75S-1 / 75S-2 receivers.     Glen, K9STH   Website: http://k9sth.net      From: Bill Carns via Collins <collins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: {Collins} Difference between 75S-1 and 75S-3  Hmmmmmmmmmm - Functional difference..  On the most basic level - NONE!  Theyare both receivers.  :-)  On a performance level - DAY & NIGHT.  The 75S-3 is so much better aperformer that you will not ever go back to the S-1.  Do not misunderstand,the 75S-1 is a good (not great - but good) receiver - but the 75S-3 is somuch better.  On a more detailed level,75S-1 w/ 10 tubes (stripping away the Xtal Cal, the injection and PTO Oscand the PTO Cath follower leaves):      RF Amp, 2 Mixers cascaded, 2 IF amps w/ Mech Fil. And either Productor AM Detect/AGC rectifier combo and then one audio Amp.      Thus, the basic receiver is 1 RF Amp, 2 Mixers, 2 IF amps w/ Mech Fil.Loss and the detector and Audio amp      Performance results from 7 stages, 3 of which have gains less than 1-and then mechanical filter losses.         The 75S-1 has no notch filter, no variable BFO  75S-3 w/12 tubes    The same stripping away with the 745S-3 gives another stage of IF gain(now essentially 3) combined with notch filter and separate AGC rectifierand two stages of Audio gain. The technical result is better gaindistribution, selectivity,  audio out and AGC performance  The results are dramatic.  It is often stated that the 75S-3 is the best ofthe S-Line receivers and I agree. It has the variable VFO/Fixed BFO feature, Notch Filter (Aka Q-Multiplier)and selectable AGC time constant (not found on the S-1).  While the 75S-3B/C is more "sophisticated with plug-in filters, it is withthe sacrifice of skirt selectivity.  In addition, the entire GainDistribution and AGC performance is somewhat less than the 75S-3 in myopinion.  I have attached the Sherwood Engineering Receiver Comparison Data (Highlyrespected) for the S-3 and S-3B/C and while the filter rejection and dynamicrange may look better for the 3B/C, I can tell you that in use, the 3 willwin your heart hands down.  Make sure when you look for an S-3 that it has the CW mechanical filter.  Itwas an option in the S-3.  I apologize to the list as I know that the file will not go through, but thedata is readily available at: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html  Have fun in your hunt!  BillBill Carns, N7OTQ (Trustee K0CXX)Past President, Collins Collectors AssociationFounding Board, Collins Radio Heritage GroupEditor, Signal Magazine (Retired)Wimberley, TX512 618 2762  (Cell)512 847 7010  (Home)            -----Original Message-----From: Collins [mailto:collins-bounces+wcarns=austin.rr.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] OnBehalf Of Brian Gieryk via CollinsSent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:58 AMTo: collins@listserve.comSubject: {Collins} Difference between 75S-1 and 75S-3  Apologies in advance, as I am new to the world of S line equipment (but notradio in general, nor HF-80 equipment).  What is the functional difference between a 75S-1 and the 75S-3?  Thank you!  BrianKE6IYC  *** You are subscribed to Collins as wcarns@xxxxxxxxxxxxx. If you wish tounsubscribe, or modify your preferences please visithttps://mailman.listserve.com/listmanager/listinfo/collins ****** You are subscribed to Collins as gzook@xxxxxxxxx. If you wish to unsubscribe, or modify your preferences please visit https://mailman.listserve.com/listmanager/listinfo/collins ***  

   


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